see attached

So..this camera can record at 1920x1080 (30fps). The video is 720x576 (25fps). Let me produce it and see if I can get the same issue you reported earlier.

This video is PAL format...I use NTSC..while I work with this file, let's see if we can get another editor to look at this, too.

The issues I am talking about may not be obvious to you especially in a short steady clip. But let me know what you see. and Thank You

Jesse;
One more piece of information please...open your Powerdirector project, make a screencapture <prt Scrn> and save the file with an image editing program (like Paint, or whatever) and attach it here, include the timeline, the library..the whole screen if possible.

Thanks

Ok no worries many thanks

see pic

Having any Luck?

Well;
I am unable to see a problem with the video file, or your machine and PD9 renders it clearly. I suggest that the advice Kevin provided may be your best course of action:

....if you are creating a DVD, then you wouldn't want to produce your project to an AVI....since a DVD is encoded using a mpeg-2 video file.

Transcoding into AVI is an unnecessary step for creating the DVD. I created a MPEG-2 (using the DVD HQ setting) and saw very little quality reduction in the file even at a reduced bitrate.

Maybe another Editor here will review and help

No worries well thanks for checking it out. The reason I didnt want to do mpeg is for some reason it has pixelated patches and so on when using power director. It is so hard to show you over the internet coz it only becomes obvious at certain times in clips etc anyways not to worry thank you for your help

Surely it would be best to use a custom Mpeg profile to allow SVRT and then (hopefully) a lot of the original footage is not rendered. Panasonic SD9, Panasonic TM700, Panasonic SD600, GoPro HD Hero.

First of all A BIG thank you to Jesse! Thank you very much for providing the information...we can SINK our teeth into it and give some real help. Without it we would just be guessing and not giving you anything that would be of any use to you. We really do want to help! Honest we do....

So can someone help me to understand what the problem might be for Jesse?
pjc3 wrote:

Surely it would be best to use a custom Mpeg profile to allow SVRT and then (hopefully) a lot of the original footage is not rendered.

I can't get SVRT to work even when creating a Custom mpeg-2 profile. I am sure I am doing something wrong. His raw footage is 720x576 with a bit rate of 8802 Kbps. So what type of Custom profile should he make?

When he then burns this mpeg-2 to a DVD....What is the best method he should use?

One thing Jesse, when you produced the mpeg-2 file and you saw the problem.....did you have the "hardware acceleration" checked or unchecked when it was rendering(being produced)? there are subtle differences between the two, and you might like the output better if you do not use hardware acceleration. It takes longer but when I tested your video footage, on my system, it looked better when I produced without hardware acceleration.

Continuing to work on it.

Kevin


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I downloaded the DBGMKR50.MPG and the playback was fine in Windows MP and PD9 and I saw no artifacts, blocking, etc. the same when I produced in PAL. However I would not consider the quality that great in the original or the produced, but could be several reasons, such as PAL versus NTSC which I use. Like Kevin i was unable to get SVRT to work with any selection.

I also think that a video of distant forest leaves is not a good choice to represent a problem as background leaves are never that sharp, prefer something closer with detail such including text.

I did not digest each and every post but I know from my experience with my Canon HG21 and HFS21 clips, with PD8 I could use SVRT but not with the HFS21. However during the PD9 beta testing I was getting serious artifacts and blocking using SVRT even with the HG21. For me with both of my cameras I can no longer use SVRT even if it states I can use as it will take much longer with inferior quality then with Hardware video encoder which is all that I now use with no problems and very pleased with the quality.

So Jesse I would try producing some short clips of original using as close to the original as possible to reduce rendering, but don't use SVRT as a test to see what the outcomes are. That's how I located my problem and solved it as I think there are serious issues with SVRT in PD9 with many cameras and formats.

George

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I hear what George is saying...SVRT may not be the way to go.

But if you want to test it, it is possible to get SVRT to work so that you can take a look at the results ....I did finally get SVRT to work with your clip....I selected mpeg-2 file type.....I then selected the option to create a Custom Profile....In the video section I selected (720x576 DVD PAL) resolution and under the bitrate I entered the value of 9100 for the average and maximum bitrate. I also bumped the slider control for "speed/quality indicator" to maximum (7) and then selected OK.

I got the SVRT to be selected.

I produced the clip and it looked fine to me....but that is a subjective observation. The important determination is Jesse.

It is certainly acceptable to my eyes...and to most audiences probably....Remember, the viewing audience does not usually have the original footage to compare it to. They are just watching the show.

The issue to me is when you then try to burn this new mpeg-2 video to a DVD disc. It did this and just burned it to a folder to test it and it drops the overall bit rate down for the final VOB file in the folder. I opened the vob file in Power DVD and it looked great on my 47" screen.

I also produced a DVD using the other software mentioned earlier in the post and had similar results....they both looked the same, but as Jesse pointed out the problem happened at different times and maybe I wasn't able to reproduce the problem with the sample clip.

I have done my best. Not sure what else I might be able to do to offer some help.

Just another idea....if this project is being created so that others might view it....What I have done myself is create the final video in the highest quality that is possible and I then upload it to YouTube and send the link to everyone. Then I can be confident that if they want to...they can view the video to its fullest quality potential. I am recently doing this for a Wedding production...some people only have DVD players and can't watch the Blu-Ray disc...so I uploaded the 1920x1080 High Definition footage in Chapters and now EVERYONE can view the wedding in HIGH DEFINITION.

Just another thought...it may not work with your plans on how you want the project to be viewed.

Regards,

KEvin

But I understand that you want it to be the very best it can be.

Kevin


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I noticed that 60i video is always saved in 30p, regardless of the format chosen which drops half the vertical resolution.
It may technically still be interlaced, but it's interlaced with the same frame repeated twice.

Quote: I noticed that 60i video is always saved in 30p, regardless of the format chosen

No so.

Not sure what profile you are choosing but my 1080i60 is rendered at 1080i60. Panasonic SD9, Panasonic TM700, Panasonic SD600, GoPro HD Hero.

Open your raw video in VLC player and turn off deinterlace, play back at 25% speed.
Interlaced frames are easy to spot.
Now do the same thing with output from PD9

I agree with pjc3,

Not sure what profile you are choosing but my 1080i60 is rendered at 1080i60.

what profile did you select when you produced your video?

That would determine whether it was produced interlaced or not.

I copied and pasted this from the Help file in PD9:
Setting Video Clip Interlacing Format

All video clips have an interlacing (TV) format, which specifies how frames are displayed. Using video clips with conflicting (or incorrect) TV formats can result in degraded video quality in your final production.

Before you produce your video, set all of the video clips to the same format. While CyberLink PowerDirector can normally detect and suggest the correct format, some interlaced video (such as a video with very little motion) may be misjudged as a progressive video.

CyberLink PowerDirector automatically produces interlaced video for DVD, SVCD and DV-AVI. Only change this setting if you are sure that CyberLink PowerDirector has wrongly set the format.

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I used the default 1080 profile which has "top frame" chosen for interlacing.

I know its the same format as the camera raw video because SVRT is enabled by default.

With SVRT checked the interlaced frames are preserved.
If you uncheck SVRT or perform ANY modifications/transitions etc every-other-"field" is duplicated (effectively 30p)

This is easy to check with VLC Player.

You must be right. Sorry about that.
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I posted another topic on this with screen shots and samples. I only have one HD camera to test with so I can't speak for them all, but I'm guessing it's part of the PD9 architechture. I opened a support request on this and have yet to hear back a week later.

From experimentation it seems PD9 deinterlaces all material on rendering-input with the BOB technique (duplicate every other horizontal line)

I have seen PD9 create 60i when I set PD9 to play back at 2x (time lapse) so to me this says the media-input-processing deinterlaces the video and the writing-processing is interlaced as selected. So the only time you see the interlacing is when you output video 2x normal playback speed.
60i gets read in deinterlaced to 30p, then time lapse mode sped up to 60p and interlaced back to 60i
Otherwise if you don't modify the speed the 60i gets converted to 30p, then interlaced back into 60i from the 30p which is visually the same as 30p, but with only half the imported vertical resolution since the conversion of 60i to 30p duplicat es every other line.