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How can I 'fade out' the end of the 'effect room - Pencil Sketch' effect?
Toddsta [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Apr 13, 2010 12:18 Messages: 31 Offline
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It goes from the pencil sketch effect of the video to an abrupt change to the standard video. I'd like to arrange the Pencil Sketch video so that it slowly fades away to the standard video.

I tried to put a 'fade' video at the end of the 'pencil sketch' effect on the effect track - but PD8 wouldn't let me?? And when I had a fadeout transition on the video track...it doesn't affect the effect track below it???

Help! and thanks :
Carl312
Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline
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Maybe this will help.

http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/11637.page#52813

The hierarchy of the video and PIP tracks is illustrated there.
The higher numbered tracks are on top of the lower number tracks. So anything you put in PIP 9 will be on top of everything except the Title, Voice and Music tracks. Carl312: Windows 10 64-bit 8 GB RAM,AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz,ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB,240GB SSD,two 1TB HDs.

Toddsta [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Apr 13, 2010 12:18 Messages: 31 Offline
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Hi Carl -

I don't get it. If I add a PiP track...it adds it below the effect track...and I cannot put a transition in any track besides the Master Video Track anyway???

Seems like the fade on the Master Video Track would fade out my 'Pencil Effect' transition which is located in the 'effect room' section.


In fact, I can't fade-out ANY effects on ANY track other than the Master Video Track. What the heck is up with that?!

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Cranston
Senior Contributor Location: USA Joined: Aug 17, 2007 02:26 Messages: 1667 Offline
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Hi Toddsta,

What Carl wrote is correct. You could have a segment with pencil effect, and then just overlap the next segment without the effect in a higher numbered PIP track, and fade into the non-effected PIP.

Also, in case you are unaware, the fading of effects found in the Effects Room are governed by the use of the Key Frames, and the setting of the desired values for each Key frame. You set the Fade In/Out values and durations with the Key Frames. And you can place or drag any effect directly "into" a video clip. You are not limited to only using the Effects track. As a matter of fact, you can put up to 7 effects “into” each clip.
See this recent thread. It deals with the Blur Effect. But the same Key Frame principles as shown for this Blur effect, applies to all the Key Frame based effects in the Effects Room.

http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/13072.page


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Toddsta [Avatar]
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Thanks for the links, etc....but this doesn't really explain to me what a 'keyframe' is..... I thought a keyframe was the same thing as the timeline??

I appreciate your explanation, but have no idea what you're talking about in regards to "overlapping the segment without the effect in a higher numbered PIP track, and fade into the non-effected PIP."

I have a *fade* transition which is in the Master Video Track...and I cannot get the fade of any nature into ANY of the other tracks.... PIP or otherwise.

I'm getting really frustrated.... my old competing program was sooo easy. Seems like nothing is labeled well in this program.

I even looked in the Help Index.... typed in "Keyframe" in the keyword search and NOTHING came up for keyframe at all....

Is there a way to upload my file for review and discussion???
 Filename
Screen Print Test 1.pds
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84 Kbytes
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432 time(s)

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ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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Hi Toddsta -

It's true that transitions can only be used in the main video track.
Effects can be applied in PiP tracks too.
Some effects can be "eased" in or out with keyframes - some can't.

Here's a way around the ones that can't (lower res version):



Cheers - Tony



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ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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My apologies - didn't mean to post anything contradictory... when I started to reply, Cranston's response hadn't been posted.

Anyway, it does show that there are different ways around the same "problem".

Toddsta - here's an illustration of what Cranston is talking about (I hope I've got it CP)





1. Insert clip
2. Split at desired points
3. Apply effect to one section
4. Insert fades

Cheers - Tony
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Toddsta [Avatar]
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Hi Tony -

Thank you very much for your detailed instructions... however I have a few more questions as a result:

After following your instructions, My duplicate video copy which I made on my PIP 1 Track (along with the Effects Room transition), shows on top of my Master Video Track as a smaller video in the center of the Master Video Track video.

How can I 'size' up the PIP duplicate video (with the Effects Room transition) to perfectly match the Master Video Track video size?

I think I might be close to getting this, but don't know how to size up the PIP video track to match that of the Master Video Track.

Thanks for your patience with me, an admitted newbie... :

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ynotfish
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No problem Toddsta -

It wasn't long ago that I was new to PD & people like Cranston were patient with me - we've all been there.

All you need to do is select the PiP clip and drag the corner handles to fill the screen. That's important so that the image doesn't "jump" at the transition.

You can do this in the preview screen or in PiP Designer.

The method Cranston suggested, which doesn't use the PiP track at all, is probably the simpler of the two... but they both work.

Cheers - Tony
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Toddsta [Avatar]
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Thanks Tony.... I'm making progress.

But now I've come to another hurdle.... how can I 'fade in/out' my text titles on the Title Track?

I cannot drag a fade onto that track either.

On another video program all you have to do is right-click and you have the ability to 'fade-in/out' on any keyframe on any track.

Why doesn't Cyberlink Director allow you to do something so simple? I don't get that.

What is 'their' solution to achieving this? Thanks.
ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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Glad to hear you're making good progress!

I think you should check out these tutorials. They cover some of the basics of PD, including Titles in the second one.

http://www.youtube.com/user/PDtoots#p/u/1/jXG2jDTHyKw

http://www.youtube.com/user/PDtoots#p/u/0/ccSNU_Z7BRc

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Cheers - Tony
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Toddsta [Avatar]
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Thanks Tony.... my error, I found the "fade" for the Title Tracks..... odd that they don't alphabetize them though?? Doesn't appear like you can adjust the fade length either...but maybe I just don't know how yet.

I'll check out the tutes - thanks Tony.
ynotfish
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Toddsta -

The transitions are adjustable by sliding the keyframes.

Cheers - Tony
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Toddsta [Avatar]
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Hi Tony -

Thanks for the reply. Won't 'sliding' the keyframes cause the 'transition/effect' keyframe to simply last a longer duration overall?

Say you want to keep a particular Text keyframe duration at 10 seconds.... however, you want the 'Fade-out to occur at an earlier point within that 10 seconds than the 'default' fade-out text animation allows.

How is this accomplished by sliding the length of the text keyframe? Wouldn't that just make the entire text effect appear longer on the video?

Thanks for clarifying this.

I really appreciate your patience and support with my Newbie questions....hope I'm not being a nuisance. :

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ynotfish
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Hi Toddsta -

Maybe I was wrong to refer to the title design slider as "keyframes". That may have confused you. The best way to "get it" for yourself is to play around with it!

If the total duration of a title is set to (say) 12 seconds, part of that is taken up with the transition in/out & part with the full display of the title.

Using the default settings in PD, that title would have (approx):
Transition in (4 secs) > Full display (4 secs) > Transition out (4 secs) Total = 12 seconds



By adjusting the transition slider in Title Designer, the speed of the transition in/out can be modified. Here, it would be Transition in (2 secs) > Full display (8 secs) > Transition out (2 secs) Total = 12 seconds



Cheers - Tony

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