Thanks again for trying to help. I'm looking into doing something like that now, different editors or dvd menu makers. I can produce in cyberlink 12 anything but the mepeg-2 it will work with mepeg-4 avi, wmv, h.264 they all work. i just dont know if i will lose what little vidio quality i have. like i said i'm new to this stuff just want to put some old family vhs to dvd.I was just hoping there was a fix so use just 1 program.