Doesn't ATI cards have two or three different appli ations that have to be installed? It has been a while but I think the last time I updated cards I had to download something from their website. __________________________________
CORNBLOSSOM

All I've ever installed was the Radeon driver. Intel i7 4770k, 16GB, GTX1060 3GB, Two 240GB SSD, 4TB HD, Sony HDR-TD20V 3D camcorder, Sony SLT-A65VK for still images, Windows 10 Pro, 64bit
Gary Russell -- TN USA

Quote: Doesn't ATI cards have two or three different appli ations that have to be installed? It has been a while but I think the last time I updated cards I had to download something from their website.

Yes that is true at one time with AMD drivers 14.xx and below.

GGRussell - Do a forum search on this subject in the PD14 forum. That card should work in PD14 with the latest drivers. Hardware encoding should be enabled for h.264 only I believe and not for mpeg-2, and wmv that you enjoyed for a long time with your amd graphics card using the 14.xx drivers. Someone can correct me here if this is wrong.

Someone in that forum said that the crimson beta drivers enable hardware encoding on his 6xxx series card. I installed that driver here after that and it does not enable any hardware encoding in my system. Yes you need that newer amd card you have with the latest driver and PD14 for hardware encoding to be enabled.

No contributor has ever said that wmv or mpeg-2 file formats are accelerated in PD14 with the AMD cards to my knowledge.

I installed Crimson 16.9.2 driver. I'll see if I can find the 14.xx drivers and if there are any beta ones. thanks Intel i7 4770k, 16GB, GTX1060 3GB, Two 240GB SSD, 4TB HD, Sony HDR-TD20V 3D camcorder, Sony SLT-A65VK for still images, Windows 10 Pro, 64bit
Gary Russell -- TN USA

Quote: I installed Crimson 16.9.2 driver. I'll see if I can find the 14.xx drivers and if there are any beta ones. thanks

I don't think PD13 supported AMDs VCE ASIC implementation for H.264/MPEG-4 AVC hardware encoding on your RX 480, it only supported the older AMD AVT technology which also supported additional hardware encode formats on older GPU's.

This post with apparent direct input from CL support http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/48519.page#254005 pretty much sums up that it does not work with PD13 and current AMD drivers. In the thread a link is also provided to historic drivers.

You were in this discussion but this link http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/44494.page#233480 also sums up the issues. Additional info for PD14 is here http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/46690.page#242239 and the enclosed link within the msg gives you a glimpse of PD14 issues.

I’ve not tried any AMD GPU’s with PD15, never saw the need. The VCE in recent AMD cards added support for HVEC H.265 encoding as well as the basic H.264 but it was not supported in PD14 when I tried (AMD R9 380), I'm unsure if any PD15 support.

Jeff

IF not supported in PD15, there would be no reason for me to upgrade. Intel i7 4770k, 16GB, GTX1060 3GB, Two 240GB SSD, 4TB HD, Sony HDR-TD20V 3D camcorder, Sony SLT-A65VK for still images, Windows 10 Pro, 64bit
Gary Russell -- TN USA

Quote: IF not supported in PD15, there would be no reason for me to upgrade.

Not sure what precise formats you are after so I can't assist and that choice is yours. H.264 was supported in PD14, just not very effectively in my view as was pointed out in the supplied links so I'd assume at least it's still available in that capacity in PD15.

The trial won't help totally resolve this so I guess purchase PD15 and use the 30 day rule for return to see how it helps you maybe a option. Any chance you can return the AMD GPU and purchase something many on this forum have more experience with since hardware encoding has not been a stable offering by CL over the years and workarounds/guidance depend heavily on user base or do you like the AMD GPU for gaming?

Jeff

Don't game at all. I use PD for one thing - transcode HDTV MPEG2 to MP4 using a custom profile. May consider returning it and getting the GTX1060 if I can get it at similar price. But how well is it supported? Intel i7 4770k, 16GB, GTX1060 3GB, Two 240GB SSD, 4TB HD, Sony HDR-TD20V 3D camcorder, Sony SLT-A65VK for still images, Windows 10 Pro, 64bit
Gary Russell -- TN USA

Quote: Don't game at all. I use PD for one thing - transcode HDTV MPEG2 to MP4 using a custom profile. May consider returning it and getting the GTX1060 if I can get it at similar price. But how well is it supported?

For simply transcode, pretty well, however still some detail anomalies for certain produce profiles, create disc...so on. If you post a sample file that you typically transcode and the custom profile I have both a GTX960 and a GTX1070 and would compare with your specifics. Very likely for the stated task of just a transcode the GTX960 maybe just as fast and much cheaper for you, even the GTX950 a cheaper option yet.

Jeff

GGRussell, I put my R9 380 back in a PC to see how PD15 might fair with it. Terrible for hardware encoding would be my experience. I used the Crimson 16.7.3 drivers. Some encoding productions appear fast but it does not produce anything near the avg bitrates provided in PD15 default profiles. Very similar to what was noticed here, http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/45474.page#234931 Really independent of source footage, avg bitrate of produced profile setting is not maintained at all. I used some 2K, 40Mbps source quality and produced to MP4 H.264 1920x1080/30p 16Mbps which resulted in ~3Mbps bitrate encode and quality looked terrible. Several other attempts with different source resulted in avg bitrates of ~3-8Mbps, nothing near the 16Mbps avg profile and quality was very sub standard.

I'll leave the card in for a day or two if you'd like me to try something specific for you.

Jeff

I had created a custom Profile to convert 1080i MPEG2 to 720p MP4 AVC. 4Mbps/192Kbps stereo. Unfortunately PD doesn't support 5.1 in MP4.

I've been using the i7 HD4600 GPU since my old Radeon died. It was abt 5yrs old. With PD13 using my custom profile, the output was always fairly close to 4Mbps. As long as the display is good, I was happy. These are just TV shows that get watched and then deleted within a few weeks. Intel i7 4770k, 16GB, GTX1060 3GB, Two 240GB SSD, 4TB HD, Sony HDR-TD20V 3D camcorder, Sony SLT-A65VK for still images, Windows 10 Pro, 64bit
Gary Russell -- TN USA

If you wish PM me a google drive location of one of your source MPEG2's and put your profile.ini file there and I'll convert and post back and give the times so you know what to expect. If you are happy with 4Mbps quality it might be suited for you. From what I've tested so far, PD14 and PD15 are encoding at about the same speed for this R9 380 so if results are attractive maybe pick up a cheap copy of PD14 which supports the AMD VCE while your PD13 does not.

Jeff

Thanks will check into PD14/15. Intel i7 4770k, 16GB, GTX1060 3GB, Two 240GB SSD, 4TB HD, Sony HDR-TD20V 3D camcorder, Sony SLT-A65VK for still images, Windows 10 Pro, 64bit
Gary Russell -- TN USA

GGRussell, maybe this comparison will be close enough to what you do.

Source: MPEG2 1920x1080/60i 25Mbps
Target 1: H.264 MP4, 1920x1080/30p 16Mbps (Default PD profile, avg video bitrate 15.5Mbps)
Target 2: H.264 MP4, 1920x1080/30p 4Mbps avg video bitrate custom profile based on Target 1

The table below lists [encode ratio, filesize(MB) , Produced video bitrate (Mbps)]
encode ratio=timeline duration/encode time so the higher the better. A ratio of 10 would mean one can encode a 10min timeline duration in 1 minute.

GPU	PD15 Target 1	PD14 Target 1	PD15 Target 2	PD14 Target 2
GTX1070, 372.90	10.0 , 1166 , 15.5	10.0 , 1166 , 15.5	10.0 , 324 , 4.0	10.5 , 324 , 4.0
R9 380, 16.7.3	3.50 , 238 , 2.8	3.5 , 238 , 2.8	3.5 , 95 , 1.0	3.5 , 95 , 1.0

As noted in results above, one can see the massive shortcoming between defined avg video bitrate of the produced profile and what the encoder produced for the R9 380 GPU as I noted earlier. The GTX1070 results provided profile intent avg bitrates which obviously is also reflected in produced file size.

GPU encode performance is also a function of overall computer capability so results may vary even if one has the same GPU.

Jeff

Thanks for all the testing. Just FYI, the last Catalyst driver I used with my old Radeon 7870 that actually installed the AMD Video Render engine was 14.9 dated 9/2014. All the newer drivers removed it during install.

Maybe that's when AMD switch to the new VCE tech. But what good is new hardware technology if it isn't WELL supported in software.

Even with the old drivers installed, I never saw the 7870 usage go above 30% (GPUZ) when rendering in PD13. Would be nice to see a video editor that could fully utilize any GPU to its max potential. Intel i7 4770k, 16GB, GTX1060 3GB, Two 240GB SSD, 4TB HD, Sony HDR-TD20V 3D camcorder, Sony SLT-A65VK for still images, Windows 10 Pro, 64bit
Gary Russell -- TN USA

Jeff’s test above show that HE encoding on the new amd card is bad and file size is way too small from what I expect. Avchd 1080/60i 16Mbps hardware encoding on a BD using an older amd card with earlier drivers produce smaller files compared to that of a cpu or svrt encoded BD but not 4x smaller on mine which is a different format.

Good news. I was at Fry’s and see this bargain for a GTX1060 card for $189 after $30 rebate: http://www.frys.com/product/8924913?site=sa:adpages page37 date:100216 . That may be less than the cost of that R9 480 at $259.

I ordered a GTX 1060 which should be here in couple days. So what should I expect with that card and PD13? Will PD 13 support any HA or will I need to upgrade to 14 or 15?



Tomasc - R9 380 is not the latest cards from AMD. It's the RX series, but I have no idea if they are new tech or just last years chipset tweeked. Intel i7 4770k, 16GB, GTX1060 3GB, Two 240GB SSD, 4TB HD, Sony HDR-TD20V 3D camcorder, Sony SLT-A65VK for still images, Windows 10 Pro, 64bit
Gary Russell -- TN USA

Quote: So what should I expect with that card and PD13?

PD13 to launch

Quote: Will PD 13 support any HA or will I need to upgrade to 14 or 15?

PD13 will support HA for supported formats. H.264 many resolutions supported, more biased to progressive formats, XAVCS, no H.265, no MPEG

Quote: Tomasc - R9 380 is not the latest cards from AMD. It's the RX series, but I have no idea if they are new tech or just last years chipset tweeked.

The R9 380 for which I supplied results for and the RX 480 which you had purchased both support VCE 3.0 (Video Coding Engine) so capability should be similar from PD's perspective.

Quote: Jeff’s test above show that HE encoding on the new amd card is bad and file size is way too small from what I expect. Avchd 1080/60i 16Mbps hardware encoding on a BD using an older amd card with earlier drivers produce smaller files compared to that of a cpu or svrt encoded BD but not 4x smaller on mine which is a different format.

Periodic issue that has been around a long time that appears to vary with driver variants and GPU technology, here is one I recalled with the older AMD encoder vs VCE, http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/15631.page#77736 the CBR workaround had been removed.

Jeff

Got my GTX 1060 today. PD13 works great with it. Obvious that Cyberlink has spent more time optimizing their software for nVidia vs. AMD. Intel i7 4770k, 16GB, GTX1060 3GB, Two 240GB SSD, 4TB HD, Sony HDR-TD20V 3D camcorder, Sony SLT-A65VK for still images, Windows 10 Pro, 64bit
Gary Russell -- TN USA