Reboot did not fix it - still getting "Production unsuccessful" now after trying to re-render this project in H.264 4K with hardware acceleration.

I do still have the previous 4K misrendered file that shows up as audio only in Windows Media, and which PowerDVD can't play at all.

I would be very interested to know if others can render the project successfully in 4K/H.264 with hardware acceleration .
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FYI, I can do the same H.264 / 4K 30p encode successfully with a simpler project - just creating a new project, putting the "trim-4k" clip on the timeline, and encoding it.
No "production unsuccessful" issue.

There seems to be something in the project I uploaded that triggers the "production unsuccessful" bug.

On another note, for those who look at the clips and manage to render the project, the trim-4k clip is from the 2016 Sony FDR-AX33 4K camcorder, shot in 4K/30p at 60 Mbps, while trim-hd is from the 2008 Canon HG21 HD camcorder, shot in HD 60i at 24 Mbps. Both about $1000 camcorders, but 8 years apart.

So far, I'm not seeing a noticeably higher level of detail on the 4K camcorder. Amazon still hasn't sent me the U3 SDXC card they were supposed to, so I could not test the 100 Mbps mode on the FDR-AX33 to see if it's any better. I don't have a 4K monitor, but I do have 2560x1600 monitor, which should at least show twice as much detail .

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PD now either tells me "production unsuccessful" and asks me to upgrade the nVidia video drivers (I am on the latest 355.82 already...

hello, Julien.

I've downloaded your .PDS and no issues. see attached rendered video.

my video card is MSI and the driver is 9 months old, 347.25, didn't bother to update after uninstalling the PD13.

Quicktime - 7.7.6 & DivX - 10.2.3

MPC-HC - 1.7.6.217 & FFDSHOW is 1.3.4533

in order to get rid of the Production Unsuccessful, you must edit the registry. 0x0000000000...

sounds just like them old days...

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Thanks Pepsiman .
It looks like your rendering is only 44MB . Mine was 241 MB. Did you render it in 4K ? MSI X99A Raider
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looking at the attached video

at the 00:24 mark i trimmed your videos to 30 seconds.

01:05 rendered at 4K 30p 50Mb/sec FVRT-HVE

when it was finished at 02:45, the total size is 196.5MB.

rerendered original .PDS file at 4k 30p v 60Mb/sec / a 256Kb/sec and got 275MB.

i am sorry to inform you but your Sony FDR-AX33's 4k image sharpness isn't going to improve

looking again at the attached video at 03:20 mark is the full 4k view...

before i bought the Samsung NX1 past June, i did a lot of video research thru YouTube

and saw the image qualities of FDR-AX33, Panasonic HC-X1000, HC-WX970M, Samsung Note 4, 5, & NX500

and many others... even Eugene's FDR-AX100 is far better than FDR-AX33.

I decided on Samsung NX1, $1499 (next is ASUS G751JL-DS71 laptop with GTX965M to replace my

aging Dell XPS L702X laptop). where's Sonic???

I am not looking back! period.

NX1 4K is Awesome!!!



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Quote: looking at the attached video

at the 00:24 mark i trimmed your videos to 30 seconds.

01:05 rendered at 4K 30p 50Mb/sec FVRT-HVE

when it was finished at 02:45, the total size is 196.5MB.

OK. Sorry, I hadn't downloaded the video, I was in a movie theater watching previews for my last post.

rerendered original .PDS file at 4k 30p v 60Mb/sec / a 256Kb/sec and got 275MB.

I still have the initial file that rendered successfully, and Windows says the total bit rate is 51843 kbps.

And file size 241,014 KB. I think the profile must have been slightly different than the default in PD, which is why it actually rendered - but ended up being unplayable, with audio only.

i am sorry to inform you but your Sony FDR-AX33's 4k image sharpness isn't going to improve

Yes, I'm afraid that may be the case. I still have 3 weeks to return it to Fry's, and I'm leaning that way.

I saw the FDR-AX100 in the store today, but it did not have any power, so I couldn't judge anything about the picture quality.

It is a lot bigger, though. I couldn't take that and a DSLR on a trip - it would have to be one or the other. And DSLR would win as I care more about pictures.

before i bought the Samsung NX1 past June, i did a lot of video research thru YouTube

and saw the image qualities of FDR-AX33, Panasonic HC-X1000, HC-WX970M, Samsung Note 4, 5, & NX500

and many others... even Eugene's FDR-AX100 is far better than FDR-AX33.

Do you have a link to the FDR-AX33 vs FDR-AX100 picture ?

I did a lot of video research as welll through youtube, and eliminated the Panasonic WX970M because of video noise.

I have a Note 4, which is actually fairly nice, except it can only record for 5 minutes in 4K before overheating - so, basically useless.

I think the Note 4 picture is actually better than the FDR-AX33 . I may do another comparison, if I can get the damn projects to render !

The total recording in 4K is limited to 5 mins. In 1080p it is limited to 10 minutes. In 1080i and 720p, it is 30 minutes.

Even 30 minutes is too little if the camera does not have a physical remote - which the Note 4 does not. There may be an app to auto restart the recording, but the default app does not. And I would still lose a few seconds of videos. Just like I do on my T3i with Magic lantern.

The FDR-AX33 also lacks a remote - that's one of my gripes about it. But it can record continuously, so it's not as big of an issue as with the Note 4.

The FDR-AX100 does have a physica remotel, on the other hand. But it's selling for $1698 ...

I decided on Samsung NX1, $1499 (next is ASUS G751JL-DS71 laptop with GTX965M to replace my

aging Dell XPS L702X laptop).

I am not looking back! period.

NX1 4K is Awesome!!!

I didn't consider the NX1 yet. It looks like it has the 30 minute clip limit, which is a big problem for me. I need a camera that records continuously. This basically limits me to camcorders, I believe.

Have you considered the Panasonic GH4 ? A lot of videographers use it. I think it can record continuously.

Anything above $1000 is too pricey, IMO, though. I may just return the FDR-AX33 and wait for something better, that records in 4K/60p for under $1000. Not sure when that's going to happen. Probably around the same time 4K projectors drop from the current $8000 to my $1500-2000 target ... At least they are no longer all $25,000 and up. MSI X99A Raider
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yup, i did checked GH4 out and it was the DSLR that i wanted but Panasonic failed to deliver.

4K video wasn't sharp as GH2 or GH3. only if only you bought a CarlZeiss($2000) lens...

Sony failed, too. their A7SII or A7R II 42MP camera takes only 100 Mb/sec AVC H.264 4K video and overly priced, $3700!

no HEVC H.265!

here's the link. it's Taka's 4K Lab YouTube channel and he does good job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VJn6HGKm34

i've also attached my sample NX1 RAW footage.

f20mm, 1/500 F8, ISO auto at 100, auto white balance and HQ @50Mb/sec bitrate.

take a still from the RAW footage and compare it to Sony's still.

PowerDirector 14, finally, i think it was worth the waiting, for 9 months!

Samsung NX1 4K is Awesome!



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Quote: yup, i did checked GH4 out and it was the DSLR that i wanted but Panasonic failed to deliver.

4K video wasn't sharp as GH2 or GH3. only if only you bought a CarlZeiss($2000) lens...

Sony failed, too. their A7SII or A7R II 42MP camera takes only 100 Mb/sec AVC H.264 4K video and overly priced, $3700!

no HEVC H.265!

here's the link. it's Taka's 4K Lab YouTube channel and he does good job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VJn6HGKm34

i've also attached my sample NX1 RAW footage.

f20mm, 1/500 F8, ISO auto at 100, auto white balance and HQ @50Mb/sec bitrate.

take a still from the RAW footage and compare it to Sony's still.

PowerDirector 14, finally, i think it was worth the waiting, for 9 months!

Samsung NX1 4K is Awesome!



enjoy.

PepsiMan

Thanks ! I'm downloading your footage right now.

It seems to me that all the 4K cameras out there are still compromises, at the moment, even at the $3k price point.

Almost none of them do 60p, except the HC-X1000 , which you mentioned did not have a great picture quality - and that would make sense, given the sensor size. That means pretty much that they are transitional cameras, until the 60p cameras come along. I had no problem putting $1000 into the Canon HG1 camcorder 8 years ago because I knew it was a great HD camera and thought it would last me a long time, and it did. There was nothing else anywhere close on the horizon - 4K was nowhere. I was expecting to get a decent 4K camera by now at $1000 . But it seems this is still too early - the FDR-AX33 is not a decent camera, at least, it is not an improvement over HD.

I will look at your NX1 footage. However, I do see that the NX1 is limited to 30 minute clips, and also doesn't have a wireless remote.

It has a remote input port. Maybe there is some sort of device with an IR sensor I could buy to allow remote startup ? This is to restart the video when it stops.

Of course, I would much prefer if it never stopped in the first place. I usually practice for a few hours at a time and would rather not have to press the remote at all, as it gets me thinking about technical details rather the music.

I understand that the 30 minute limit is due to some EU duty issue - all the manufacturers are putting it in their firmware to avoid having their devices assessed higher taxes. It makes no sense when we buy these cameras for the US market. There should be a non-EU version. But the limitattion is really, really stupid.

As good as the NX1 picture may be, if there is not either a wireless remote control, or continuous video recording, I have to cross it off my list. The price is also steep, well over $1000 .

I may be returning the Sony FDR-AX33, and sticking with HD until the offerings improve. Or maybe if the FDR-AX100 drops closer to $1000, I will give it a look. MSI X99A Raider
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Just looked at your footage - I agree it's beautiful and quite sharp. It's outdoors though, which is a lot less challenging than indoors. I am more concerned about indoor performance, and it's pretty clear the FDR-AX33 is not good for that. I have yet to try my FDR-AX33 outdoors. Maybe I will tomorrow, if I wake up before sunset MSI X99A Raider
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Quote: looking at the attached video

at the 00:24 mark i trimmed your videos to 30 seconds.

01:05 rendered at 4K 30p 50Mb/sec FVRT-HVE

when it was finished at 02:45, the total size is 196.5MB.

rerendered original .PDS file at 4k 30p v 60Mb/sec / a 256Kb/sec and got 275MB.

i am sorry to inform you but your Sony FDR-AX33's 4k image sharpness isn't going to improve

looking again at the attached video at 03:20 mark is the full 4k view...

before i bought the Samsung NX1 past June, i did a lot of video research thru YouTube

and saw the image qualities of FDR-AX33, Panasonic HC-X1000, HC-WX970M, Samsung Note 4, 5, & NX500

and many others... even Eugene's FDR-AX100 is far better than FDR-AX33.

I decided on Samsung NX1, $1499 (next is ASUS G751JL-DS71 laptop with GTX965M to replace my

aging Dell XPS L702X laptop). where's Sonic???

I am not looking back! period.

NX1 4K is Awesome!!!



PepsiMan

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somehow the PD12 Ultimate & PD14 Ultimate is coexisting peacefully, odd but i'm not pushing it; shhhhhh...

Finally, I got to watch this video. Didn't realize it was a screen capture rather than the rendereing.

Looks like you are having no issue, indeed.



I spent time reinstalling my OS from scratch and installed just PD14 and the nVidia drivers.

I can now render the project again - no more "Production unsuccessful".

However, the issue with PD recognizing the rendered file as audio-only is still there !



It looks like the difference is that you are rendering to H.264 MP4 MPEG-4 3840x2160/30p, and I'm rendering to H.264 M2TS AVC 4K 3840x2160/30p .

And your smaller file size is because you shrunk the timeline.

Would you mind trying to render it again as M2TS / AVC 4K instead of MP4 and seeing if the resulting file is playable in the PD14 built-in video player ?

I just tried rendering in MP4 as you did, and I get the same result as you did - a rendered MP4 file which is recognized by PD14 as a video file.

Not so for the corresponding rendered M2TS file. See the attached screen capture.

Thank you very much for your time on this issue - and the comments about the 4K cameras, which are also very helpful.

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good morning.

attached is the re-rendered PD Screen Capture and no issues whatsoever producing your .PDS to 4K M2TS container.

remember i haven't updated the Video driver, 347.25, and QuickTime, 7.7.6!DivX is at 10.4.



if you have Samsung NX1 then your Galaxy Note 4 becomes your remote with huge screen in FHD!

yes, your note 4's WiFi becomes a remote for NX1.

as you saw in MPC-HC in the screen captured videos, i use MPC-HC to compare the 4K footages of the different camcorders

at View - Video Frame - Normal Size / Keep Aspect Ratio setting.because i do not have 4K monitors or TVs.



hope you'll find the problem. sonic is back.

i'm keeping the PD14 as is at v2019!

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Quote: good morning.

attached is the re-rendered PD Screen Capture and no issues whatsoever producing your .PDS to 4K M2TS container.

remember i haven't updated the Video driver, 347.25, and QuickTime, 7.7.6!DivX is at 10.4.

OK, thanks for trying ...

I don't have DivX on my system, maybe it's helping your PD14 play this file, but it really shouldn't have to.

FYI, I'm on nVidia driver 355.82 and Quicktime 7.78 .

Maybe the nVidia driver version is the difference here ... If you ever upgrade it, let me know if this still works.

I think I will try using the same 347.25 version you have.

if you have Samsung NX1 then your Galaxy Note 4 becomes your remote with huge screen in FHD!

yes, your note 4's WiFi becomes a remote for NX1.

The Sony FDR-AX33 has this feature too, but it's poorly implemented, IMO.

1) There are zero controls in the app, pretty much just start/stop recording.

And all controls on the camcorder itself are disabled ...

2) Using the Note 4 as a remote for the Sony camera prevents using the Note 4 as a video camera. You can only do one or the other. As soon as you leave the Sony Playmemories app, recording stops.

Does the remote app for the NX1 suffer from the same problems as the Sony app ?

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Quote:

FYI, I'm on nVidia driver 355.82 and Quicktime 7.78 .

Maybe the nVidia driver version is the difference here ... If you ever upgrade it, let me know if this still works.

I think I will try using the same 347.25 version you have.

OK. I tried it. Version 347.25 is fine - I can render in M2TS AVC 4K just fine, and the rendered file is playable in PD14 .

I guess the morale of the story is - don't install the latest nVidia driver. Sigh !!! MSI X99A Raider
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OK. I tried it. Version 347.25 is fine - I can render in M2TS AVC 4K just fine, and the rendered file is playable in PD14 .

I guess the morale of the story is - don't install the latest nVidia driver. Sigh !!!

Looks like starting at 355.xx driver updates something went south, driver or PD use of, who knows. I've seen the following all attributed to PD and Nvida 355.xx drivers.

1) Many H.264 M2TS higher resolution profiles when produced with HA produce as music, noted by several in several posts, PD13 and PD14 issue.
2) For all H.264 MP4 profiles when produced with HA if the file properties are viewed within the PD media library, they are incorrectly identified as interlaced. MediaInfo shows correct progressive format. A PD13 and PD14 issue.
3) For some Nvidia GPU's and the H.264 MKV profiles, like 1920x1080/60i (24Mbps) PD will hang after produce with HA while adding media to PD library. PD14 only and for me only GTX650, not GTX960 or GTX970. Task manger to kill only remedy.
4) The "Create Disc" for BD with H.264 1920x1080/60p will produce a error message when "Hardware video encoder" is used. PD13 and PD14.

Jeff

Funny thing, my Media Center computer with Windows 7 was having serious issues with the latest drivers, like blank images, driver restarts, even crashes. I had to roll back all the way to 341.81 to get it working right on those Fermi gen cards (I have tested two on that PC, a GeForce GT610 and a Quadro 600).
No issues though with Win 10 and GTX960.

So it might be something that nVidia did to favor the Maxwell chips?

Quote: Funny thing, my Media Center computer with Windows 7 was having serious issues with the latest drivers, like blank images, driver restarts, even crashes. I had to roll back all the way to 341.81 to get it working right on those Fermi gen cards (I have tested two on that PC, a GeForce GT610 and a Quadro 600).
No issues though with Win 10 and GTX960.

So it might be something that nVidia did to favor the Maxwell chips?

Strange, my GTX960 and GTX970 both have troube with 355.xx drivers on WIN10 with PD13 and PD14, say the H.264, M2TS container, 1920x1080/60p 28Mbps, PD thinks music only file. Same for say, 4096x2160/60p 50Mbps, other too.

So nothing really favored for me.

Jeff

I'm starting to think Cyberlink should recommend specific tested driver nVidia versions , and maybe we should have stickies in the forum for this .

This is hardly the first time something has broken between PowerDirector and nVidia drivers. Huge waste of time !
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Quote:
Looks like starting at 355.xx driver updates something went south, driver or PD use of, who knows. I've seen the following all attributed to PD and Nvida 355.xx drivers.

It's not just the 355.xx drivers. It started before that.

Since I felt like wasting more time, I tried driver 353.62 .

Result was : the rendering took an inordinate amount of time - over 9 minutes.

And then it crashed with the attached error.

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I'm going to keep rolling drivers back with reboot/clean install until I find the last good version...

which is 347.25!

Quote: I am more concerned about indoor performance, and it's pretty clear the FDR-AX33 is not good for that...

and here's a Samsung NX1 clip with one 23W light bulb = 100W regular light bulb at 5000K. indoors. my video editing room.

* Samsung NX1, f16-50mm @20mm F3.5-5.6 kit lens, HEVC H.265 3840x2160 30p HQ @50Mb/sec, Auto White Balance, ISO auto @4000.


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