Am I to understand this very long production time
when keyframing NB effect(s) in PD only happens on my rig?

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Hi Nina -

I hadn't had time to play with it till just now.

Pretty much replicated your scenario - pre-produced 15 second clip - split into 5 sections with effects/enhancements applied to each (some keyframed).
1. Colour enhanced (keyframed)
2. NB Detail Enhance
3. Focus Effect
4. Colour enhance (keyframed)
5. Detail Colour Swap (keyframed)

Produced to AVC H.264 MPEG-4 1280x720 @ 16MBps (same as pre-produced clip) on two PCs - no HA applied:
1. i7-920 8GB RAM GTX 260 - production time = 25.23 seconds
2. i7-3930K 16GB RAM GTX 680 - production time = 14.17 seconds

That probably doesn't help much - sorry

Cheers - Tony
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Thanks, Tony.

I will do another small test, making sure as little as possible else
claims any power while producing.
Your production time was more what I expected.
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nina, first of all try a h264 conversion, not mpeg-4. Try it with the 377 nVidia driver, not with the latest.
In this way you will have hardware acceleration available for H264.
Also, make sure that you set the Optimus to use PD13 with the NVidia card.

Thanks for suggestions SoNic67, next I will try another format- although my favourite is .mp4.
I did put together something else tonight. This is perhaps not interesting to all, but for me, when first
one has options to use keyframing on effects- the effects get a bit more interesting to explore and
use when the occation is there.

As pointed out, choice of format quite possibly will give different outcome regarding production time, and of course
not all NB effects demands heavy work for the computer. But some does - and
I had an interest for the paint effects/oil because this is something I probably will use at some point.
At a later time maybe I’ll find another effect I would like to use and then stumble upon another
power demanding one.

So; the same 15 sec clip.

I first used it “unsliced”, applied a little
- colour adjustment (PD)
- NB detail enhancer
- NB spotlight
Then I threw in cloud particle x 2 on the colourboard behind.
I produced to the same default .mp4 as before (see first post) and.......33.14 sec!!

Next:

I sliced a little bit of the clip, 3.17 sec to be presice - and applied NB oilpaint.
I only keyframed “Brush size” (to 90 value) and “Blend” ( also 90 value).
Guess what? 5 min 8 sec !

PD starts to produce at expected speed, then full stop when the paint effect kicks in.
And well, as the result shows, you would have to increase the values in the effect to really
make it stand out as oilpaint.

If not anybody else tries the effect in another format, I will come back with a test at
some other point in time.

Nina




- and here is the 15 sec with oilpaint on its own



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I just installed the 30 day trial of PD13.
A simple 40 sec video, rendered in h264, with nVidia acceleration "on", takes 55 sec. GPU usage hovers at 10-12%.

Same video, with my old PD12, same conditions... 26 sec. GPU usage 60%. Adding a canvas effect with "nVidia" logo on it (means CUDA accelerated) makes the rendering time 1:15.

Now, Nina,

1. I recommended that first install this nVidia driver:
http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/75992/en-us
No acceleration will happen with any newer drivers.

2. Your chosen effect is not GPU accelerated, so it is normal to take longer. Use one that has the nVidia logo in corner and report back.

SoNic 67,

Thanks again for chiming in.
I am aware of what you are saying. The current driver I use is 344.11
which I believe is the latest.

On this forum there are always many questions about formats and rendering time.
This “test” of mine was only to establish some regularity of what may happen
during production- using a (particular) NB effect on a fairly suitable configured system,
on a fairly short duration of a clip.

Your chosen effect is not GPU accelerated, so it is normal to take longer.

Yes.
Lets say this effect came to use on a 40 sec clip, the production would come to
a stand-still for a long time and one might think it was something wrong- either
with PD or the PC.

More often there is a demand for “effects” plugins, be it video effects or transitions.
The more effects you drop on a clip and the more you keyframe them, there will be
longer rendering time, and maybe it will cause a program crash on a weaker system.
(I believe this is not mentioned in marketing?)
To get around this, pre-produce the effect bit – or produce range will ease things
for the final rendering.

Some of the NewBlue effects are certainly very nice tools to have. The more you dig
in to the possibilities they give, the more interesting it can get to use them.

Nina

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It's not just Power Director putting effects slows all editors all down on rendering. I know I'm working on a video I shot for a HandiCapable camp. I put some stabilizing and camera rotation in a clip of a dance seen. I had used the tripod like a monopod to move around faster on the dance floor. I use the white balance to on a minute and half clip. I forget how long it took to render but it took sometime. I walk away and came back later. Just something we have to live with. The more we give it to do the longer it takes. Intel i7 5960X overclock to 4 Ghz 16 GB of ram.
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Nina,

You said, "The current driver I use is 344.11."

Are you aware of the following, mentioned in many recent threads?

The last NVidia driver that works with PowerDirector 12 or 13 is the 337.88 one. Regards,
Dan
Power Director 21-Ultimate
v 21.0.3111.0
XPS-8940, Win-10 64-bit,
Intel Core i9-10900 processor
(10 core, 20M Cache),
32GB DDR4 RAM, 2TB M.2 PCIe NVME SSD, 2TB 7200 RPM SATA HDD,
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8GB GDDR6

I "fixed" the issue as posted on PD12 subforum - now the latest drivers can be used.

It's a stopgap measure in my opinion, complete fix should be by CL/nVidia.

Hi Dan,

Yes, I am aware of troubles people have with the drivers.
344.11 seems to work fine here with me, both on laptop and desktop.
My desktop card is GeForce GTX 780 .

Upon advice from optodata earlier- back with PD12 where I had odd things going on
with yellow lines, Modify window acting up and what not -
I always now use custom install and untick all 3D stuff.


Edit; wandering a little off topic here?

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Deleted: off topic. Regards,
Dan
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Intel Core i9-10900 processor
(10 core, 20M Cache),
32GB DDR4 RAM, 2TB M.2 PCIe NVME SSD, 2TB 7200 RPM SATA HDD,
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8GB GDDR6

OK, so I am still on this crusade….but it will be the last tryout on this.

I took another 15 sec clip, dropped only NB oilpaint
on it, gave substantial value change in colour shift, brushstroke and blend - with keyframing.

First produce: AVC 1280 x 720/ 30, average bitrate 12Mb.
This is the values the clip had before- only average bitrate 10Mb.
Produce time: 21 min 27 sec
File: 23.1 Mb

Second produce: same edited clip, same settings – but –
ticked “Fast video ……. / Hardware video encoder
Produce time: 21 min 20 sec
File: 18,4 Mb

Third produce: same edited clip
WMV 1280 x 720 /30p (or 29fps…..PD can’t decide?) 6 Mbps
Produce time: 21 min 21 sec
File: 11, 6 Mb

It's the WMV file you get here.

Nina


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Oh dear......I could not let it go yet.
One thing left; what about a still?

A low res still - 2272 x 1521 / file jpeg,738 kb - set at duration 15 sec, colourboard behind.
Only NB oilpaint dropped on, keyframed colour shift, brushstroke and blend.
Produce time: 18 min 26 sec (1280 x 720 /30 .mp4)
File: 3,2 Mb.

Next; another approach.
What if I took snapshots along the timeline?

It took 8 min average pr snapshot in png for PD to send back to media library.
Average file size 2 Mb.

When coming in to the media library, it had a changed border width- displayed in preview window.
I checked the picture folder, there was this border greyish. Now- it could have been the little
shadow I had applied, but I had only shadow on bottom+right, this border was all around.
BUT- when dragged to timeline, it was corrected.....?

So there you have it.
It took 33 sec to produce this final file in my favourite .mp4. File: 17, 8 Mb.
The fair thing to do would be to look in to how another NLE would handle this NB oilpaint effect.
But as it is, I have this effect only for PD.

BTW; there was absolutely no way I could get the default text template to work in
text designer. Keyframing transparency could not happen at all, so I had to use a text preset
on this little file.

NOW I’m done with this.
“Thank you for watching” :






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White Balance Problem: I apologize to everyone for a very basic question, but Power Director doesn't seem to come with a manual. I'm trying to set the white balance, and cannot find a single option or button to do that. Can anyone help me? Thanks in advance.

Quote: White Balance Problem: I apologize to everyone for a very basic question, but Power Director doesn't seem to come with a manual. I'm trying to set the white balance, and cannot find a single option or button to do that. Can anyone help me? Thanks in advance.

Hi Leonard,
Please start a new topic, link: http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/jforum.page?module=posts&action=insert&forum_id=146

Thread locked to stop further hijacking.

Dafydd