Rendering in HD from a SD camcorder

Jim5519

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Aug 02, 2012 08:40

Hi Everyone, I just finished making a music video and posting it on Youtube. I probably should have asked all this before that, but I winged it and it turned out okay but I am wondering if it was unnecessary to render it in HD. My camcorder is a Panasonic PVGS400 Mini DV camcorder which turns out is not an HD camcorder. It has 3 CCD and shoots very clear footage but I took that footage which was loaded into PD 10 as Mpeg-2, 720 X 480, 29.97 and had PD 10 preference set to "Enable HD video processing (shadow file) figuring it would help make the video even better. Should this have been enabled when my source is only standard definition and not High Definition. Since I shot the video in 4:3 I also had the project set to 4:3 and rendered it in WMV at HD 4:3 at 960 X 720, 29:97, Progressive scanning (for Youtube) It looks fine on Youtube, but was the HD part totally unecessary and useless for rendering? One last thing, the camcorder has a cinema mode so I could have recorded at 16:9 and then worked the project set at 16:9, would that have been a good thing and if so should I have the "enable HD processing" set and should I render in HD or ujst do the project and render in a 16:9 standard definition. Hope this wasn't too long of a question. Thanks much.
Jim Windows 7 64-bit, 32 GB Ram, Asus P9X79WS MB, Intel Core i7 3820 Quad core CPU, Asus ENGTX 570 Video Card, WD VelociRapter 600GB 10,000 rpm OS drive, WD Cavier Green 1TB Sata 6.0 storage drive. Panasonic PVGS400 mini DV camcorder, Power Director 10

James1

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Aug 02, 2012 10:08

Hi,
To my knowledge you render the camcorder clips at the aspect they record at, if you stretch a 4:3 recording to a 16:9 you would get pixelation and artifacts when viewed. If the Camera supports a larger aspect then shoot at that.
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stevek

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Aug 02, 2012 11:48

Trying to work with standard definition video as a high definition video will usually result in poorer quality.

Edit at the same definition the camcorder records (standard definition). .
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Jim5519

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Aug 02, 2012 11:55

Thanks for the advice guys, now I know I should just edit in SD mode. I presume it would take less time to upload to Youtube as well since it wouldn't be in HD. My upload took 2 hours. Yes, I'm going to try recording the next video in 16:9. Thanks again.
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stevek

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Aug 02, 2012 12:05

Quote: Thanks for the advice guys, now I know I should just edit in SD mode. I presume it would take less time to upload to Youtube as well since it wouldn't be in HD. My upload took 2 hours. Yes, I'm going to try recording the next video in 16:9. Thanks again.
Jim

From what I read, you cannot tape in wide screen; you can take wide screen images. The manual is slow to download; I will change this if I find anything different once it does.

Are you counting rendering time in that 2 hours? How long is the video? What internet speed do you have?

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BarryTheCrab

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Aug 02, 2012 12:48

If all at possible, and in consideration of whatever computing power you have, or plan on having, upgrading to an HD camera should be something to ponder, and losing the tape drive is a plus. Looks like a nice vid-cam, just the same, I love those flip-up eye-pieces.
EDIT: Just noticed your specs, I don't think your hardware will be an issue!

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Jim5519

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Aug 02, 2012 12:59

Hi Steve, first of all thank you very much for even taking the time to check up on the manual, I originally wasn't looking at the manual, I read about the 16:9 on an online review of the camcorder and misunderstood the info. I do believe you are right. So I guess I will be sticking with 4:3 as long as I have this camcorder.
No the 2 hour upload didn't include rendering. I rendered first in PD 10 and then took the finished video and uploaded to Youtube. The video is only 3:38 mins long, here it will help explain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uczam0A50J8&list=HL1344031577&feature=mh_lolz
I uploaded on this PC that is only set up for PowerDirector and is not usually on line unless I plug this really long cord into the router which is then plugged into the cable modem. It is showing 1.0 Gbps, my everday PC reads 100.0 Mbps is that the same?? If the everday PC is faster then next time I will take the finished movie from this Pc put it on a flash drive and transfer it to the everday pc just for Youtube uploading.
Jim

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Carl312

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Aug 02, 2012 15:03

I uploaded on this PC that is only set up for PowerDirector and is not usually on line unless I plug this really long cord into the router which is then plugged into the cable modem. It is showing 1.0 Gbps, my everday PC reads 100.0 Mbps is that the same??

1.0 Gbps is 10 times faster than 100 Mbps.

It just means that your computer has a 1 Gigabits per second network card.

1 Gbps =1,000,000,000 bits/second
100 Mbps=100,000,000 bits/second

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Jim5519

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Aug 02, 2012 15:36

Wow, so I guess by using the newer and more powerful PowerDirector PC was a lucky choice for the upload. And here I thought it would have been slower becuase it was going through a router. I didn't know that it was because of the actual speed of the network card that came with the Pc. I spend so much time on music that I'm really behind on the pc stuff, I count myself lucky that the last two Pc builds worked. Thanks for the info Carl. By the way does 2 hours still seem slow for what I uploaded at 1.0 Gbps? Windows 7 64-bit, 32 GB Ram, Asus P9X79WS MB, Intel Core i7 3820 Quad core CPU, Asus ENGTX 570 Video Card, WD VelociRapter 600GB 10,000 rpm OS drive, WD Cavier Green 1TB Sata 6.0 storage drive. Panasonic PVGS400 mini DV camcorder, Power Director 10

James1

Senior Contributor Location: Surrey, B.C., Canada Joined: Jun 10, 2010 16:20 Messages: 1783 Offline

Aug 02, 2012 15:40

Hi,
Well there is a lot of variables that come into play when uploading also, so two hours that doesn't seem to far fetched. The uploads are also dependent on YouTube traffic also, if you upload at a busy time it will be slow, if you upload at slack period then things go faster.
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Jim5519

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Aug 02, 2012 16:04

Hi James1, yea that makes sense, I'm still trying to decide whether to upload a different version of rendering though and I am using peoples observations as my guage, as I had said earlier the finished video was in really good sync when it was finished on the pc but it is sometimes out of syn on youtube for some people, did you happen to look at it and was it in fairly good sync. Such as at the very beginning where you see the bass drum pedal, cowboy boot and stumming hand, were they fairly synced up. Thanks much.
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James1

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Aug 02, 2012 16:28

Hi,
Well to be honest I have audio off as I have a severe hearing loss and require an amplified headset to hear audio...so I generally don't listen to audio...sorry..
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Jim5519

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Aug 02, 2012 16:57

Thanks for getting back to me Jim and for your candor, in all seriousness I know I should start keeping better care of my own hearing from all those years of loud music. I have a lot of difficulty hearing people speaking and have been given advice to get checked for a hearing aid.
Jim Windows 7 64-bit, 32 GB Ram, Asus P9X79WS MB, Intel Core i7 3820 Quad core CPU, Asus ENGTX 570 Video Card, WD VelociRapter 600GB 10,000 rpm OS drive, WD Cavier Green 1TB Sata 6.0 storage drive. Panasonic PVGS400 mini DV camcorder, Power Director 10