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AVC 1080/50 or 60p Users - PD10 Review
jmone
Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2010 00:05 Messages: 706 Offline
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Thanks Dafydd and apologies for the late reply as I have been traveling (manly Kent, Egypt, Dubai) so have a bunch more footage and have only now had a chance to test...and I am glad I did! I'll have to check it out it more details but it looks great for 1080p users!

1) 1080p Profiles: These are now added and work just fine so there really is no need to manually edit the profile.ini file anymore. One thing I did notice is the default 5.1 Dolby Track in this profile is encoded at 448 instead of 384kbps so the files get a bit bigger.

2) SVRT: This is now my recommended settings and works as it should, you get SVRT on all segments of the Video both before and after a segment that requires to be rendered and I don't see or hear any issues on these transition points.

Very happy so what else have I missed?

EDIT: Testing the demuxing / remuxing of the SVRT output and have some further comments:
- tsMuxer still does not like the Audio stream (does not recognise it)
- when run through FixPD9 (demux with eac3to then remuxed with tsMuxer) you see issues at all the transition points between the copied and rendered segments of the video
- when remuxed to MKV you see some transition issues as well but it is not as bad and tends to be when going back to SVRT and the end of the rendered segment.
- I them went as far as to just remux the video stream and the issues is present in the raw ".h264" file.

So... I'd say for the majority of the users the issue appears to be "Fixed" but underneath the hood there is still some issues (i'm guessing) with the timestamps so,
1) I still don't recomend you use "FixPD9.bat)
2) If you think you will remux to another "container" then check it works first with you and most importantly
3) Check a sample SVRT file with you player as how the file plays depends on how the "splitter" reads the timestamps and delivers the streams to the Audio and Video renderer on your system. Some may still have issues.

....Looks like some more testing...

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pjc3
Senior Member Location: Australia Joined: May 29, 2010 19:33 Messages: 247 Offline
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Quote:
....Looks like some more testing...


...and I was just about to click "buy" on the PD10 link

Any chance of uploading a short test clip with a few potential glitches and I can run them through my Dune?

Sound like one great trip btw! Panasonic SD9, Panasonic TM700, Panasonic SD600, GoPro HD Hero.
Dafydd B [Avatar]
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Hi jmone ,
Excellent read. Thank you for the follow up. I look forward to any further input/post you can give.
Dafydd
jmone
Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2010 00:05 Messages: 706 Offline
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Hi, I've uploaded a package at https://rapidshare.com/files/2096195095/SVRT.zip that contains the following:
1) Used "Pack Project Materials" to export the SVRT Test Files (Original M2TS, and a Title)
2) The folder also contains Produce.m2ts which was created using the std 1080/50p AVC template in "Produce"
3) The folder also contains output.m2ts which was created using the PD9FIX.BAT remux process on produce.m2ts

Notes:
- SVRT Test Project: This is a short segment filming a metronome app with a title flashing up.
- Produce.m2ts: Plays well on my PC and is good test for pjc3
- output.m2ts: It plays poorly with sync issues around the transition points.

Have fun! Other things you could try is remux to other things like mkv, or just remux the video stream and have a look at them etc....endless hours of joy!
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pjc3
Senior Member Location: Australia Joined: May 29, 2010 19:33 Messages: 247 Offline
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Thanks Nathan,

I will download and have a play when I get home later tonight.

Cheers Panasonic SD9, Panasonic TM700, Panasonic SD600, GoPro HD Hero.
jmone
Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2010 00:05 Messages: 706 Offline
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Tried muxing the output.m2ts to MKV using the latest version of MKVMerge (GUI), http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/win32/mkvtoolnix-unicode-5.2.1-setup.exe

....the results were the same with transition issues with a target remux that had V&A and one with V only.

I can upload the results if you want or I'm sure you can recreate them just as easily.

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Peter100 [Avatar]
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Hi there,

The audio rendering problem you are referring to may not be limited to 50/60p format only. I have Sony camcorder recording in AVC 1920x1080 60i format, and see the same issue. Please see my post at: http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/20483.page

Regards,
Peter
jmone
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Some more testing and my recommendations (YMMV) at this stage are in order:
1) CPU Rendering: Slow but the most reliable output. While it does re-encode the Audio and Video streams it keeps everything in sync even with remuxing to other formats
2) GPU Rendering: Quicker than CPU rendering and while the native PD10 output looks good any remuxing brings out an AV Sync issue (I presume there is a timestamp mismatch between the Video encode done with the GPU and the Audio done on the CPU)
3) SVRT: I **really** want this to work as it is by far the quickest and a G'Tee of the quality for most of the video. While the PD10 output looks good, any remuxing shows issues at the transition points.


PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG
JL_JL [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Location: Arizona, USA Joined: Oct 01, 2006 20:01 Messages: 6091 Offline
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Quote: 3) SVRT: I **really** want this to work as it is by far the quickest and a G'Tee of the quality for most of the video. While the PD10 output looks good, any remuxing shows issues at the transition points.

Pretty much a consistent statement since like PD6; yes some improvements along the way but still consistent SVRT issues at PD10. SVRT really plays havoc with the audio during any transition. The file "PD10 Audio.pdf" posted at http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/20483.page shows some of the transition inconsistencies with audio.

Jeff
jmone
Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2010 00:05 Messages: 706 Offline
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I'm sure it is all related issues. FYI - I did some more testing using the options in Edit --> Preferences --> Hardware Acceleration and while I can see the impact in the GPU (when the otions are checked the VPU engine is also used) there is no difference I can see to the results already posted.
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Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG
jmone
Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2010 00:05 Messages: 706 Offline
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Hi Dafydd, have you heard from CyberLink on any progress with the SVRT issues?
Thanks
Nathan PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
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Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG
Dafydd B [Avatar]
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Hi Nathan,
I don't have a full picture of what's being released in the next patch, coming in the next day (could be today) or so. The patch is at a final checking stage prior to release. All I can write here at the moment. Please check the patch etc and give some feedback when you can, thanks.
Dafydd
jmone
Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2010 00:05 Messages: 706 Offline
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No change from my testing of Patch 1424c

Quote: Some more testing and my recommendations (YMMV) at this stage are in order:
1) CPU Rendering: Slow but the most reliable output. While it does re-encode the Audio and Video streams it keeps everything in sync even with remuxing to other formats
2) GPU Rendering: Quicker than CPU rendering and while the native PD10 output looks good any remuxing brings out an AV Sync issue (I presume there is a timestamp mismatch between the Video encode done with the GPU and the Audio done on the CPU)
3) SVRT: I **really** want this to work as it is by far the quickest and a G'Tee of the quality for most of the video. While the PD10 output looks good, any remuxing shows issues at the transition points.


PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG
Dafydd B [Avatar]
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Thank you jmone for raising this matter. I have passed on today's test observation to CyberLink.
Dafydd
jmone
Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2010 00:05 Messages: 706 Offline
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Thanks - I can provide examples, details etc if they want/need.

Also do you know if we will be able to zoom the timeline into the correct number of tics (eg 50 (or 60fps) instread of the current NTSC/PAL).
Nathan

PS On the plus side, PD10 is still better in it's handling of 1080/50p @ >20MBS than say VS (which is a true mess).

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jmone
Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2010 00:05 Messages: 706 Offline
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Updated the bit on VS to be more accurate, also one nice update that VS did was include a true 50(60) fps timeline.... Imagine being able to see every frame in your NLE prog! PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
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jmone
Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2010 00:05 Messages: 706 Offline
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Updated info regarding PD11 - http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/24689.page
PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
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Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG
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