Quote: Hi, Julien!

Re: your remark that I should be upgrading, I had bought and paid for Power Director Ultra. I got a call today from the store where I bought it, saying they had it ready to collect but when I got to the store, I saw they'd inadvertently ordered Power DVD 14(playback only software, when I specifically said Power Director 14 Ultra. They made the correction in-store and I now wait another week for delivery of the product which will now cost me Aust.$129.00 I paid an extra 10 bucks toward it to add to the Aust.$199.96(got 95 cents change(prices in Australia are rounded out to the nearest 5 cents as we did away with ic and 2c pieces[copper coins] some years ago). So now I await PD14 Ultra. And I should, with any luck, have it by either the end of this working week(Friday, 23rd October) or next Monday(26th October).

Cheers! Neil.

Why are you ordering from a retail store when you could have ordered it online and downloaded the software instantly ?

Anyway, I would really suggest discussing your upgrade woes somewhere else, this thread is about a Newblue titler problem. MSI X99A Raider
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Guess what, no issue with your project. GPU memory utilization attached. GPU memory runs a near constant ~350MB, GPU load about 30-35% on average, no issue producing at all.

Thanks for trying this - I would never have thought of it. The oldest card I still have laying around is an 8600GT with 256MB . Maybe I should try it and see if it fails given how little memory it has. It's still enough memory to support my two 30" monitors at 2500x1600 with the two DVI dual-link.

So I tried with my 8600GT with 256MB, and I can't even open the project without getting the nVidia driver GPU out of memory error - never mind trying to render.

If I create a new project, as soon as I try to create any Newblue titler element, I get the error in the screenshot.

According to :

http://www.cyberlink.com/products/powerdirector-ultimate-suite/spec_en_US.html
Specs for PD14 say under minimum requirements :

NVIDIA:

GeForce 8500GT/9800GT and above
GeForce GT/GTS/GTX 200/400/500/600/700/800/900 Series



So I guess I should file another bug that Newblue titler doesn't work on my 8600 GT / 256MB.

I also have a 9800GT with 512MB to try, which uses the same drivers, and is listed as explicitly supported by Cyberlink. MSI X99A Raider
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Julien,

Re: your question: "Why are you ordering from a retail store when you could have ordered it online and downloaded the software instantly?"

My answer there is a)because I much prefer to deal "in person" with actual "bricks and mortar" store staff, as against the impersonal internet, which is slowly but surely usurping the role of such stores, and b) because I want the actual physical installation disc, in its own package, which I can use to install PD14 Ultra onto a replacement computer, if and when required.

And to your comment: "Anyway, I would really suggest discussing your upgrade woes somewhere else, this thread is about a Newblue titler problem." I was responding to a question about my upgrade situation, and, in my post of 14/10/2015 04:51:39(I assume, PM rather than AM), I'd dealt with transitions, Newblue verses regular transitions.

Thanks for asking!

Neil.

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So I guess I should file another bug that Newblue titler doesn't work on my 8600 GT / 256MB.

I also have a 9800GT with 512MB to try, which uses the same drivers, and is listed as explicitly supported by Cyberlink.

For my GeForce 210 test loading your project peaked at about 540MB of VRAM and then during the cpu encode VRAM usage was fairly constant at ~350MB. Not looking real good for your 9800GT test.

This error box specifically states "NVIDIA OpenGL", did your previous, I can't locate it currently?

Specs, yes, tickets okay, however, basically I think with this software one needs to constantly work around the many imposed issues.

Jeff

Quote: FYI, repeated test #17 (same as #1, but with latest nVidia drivers) - here is what the CPU usage looked like during the rendering.

There were plenty of lows in the 80% range in the middle, but also some highs above 95%.

Perhaps the project really is CPU bound on my system, but it didn't appear to me at first.

Rendering time was 3:32 (212 seconds) , almost the same as the 208 seconds I recorded in the table last night, so at least that one is repeatable.

Yes, I still think you are not getting the full capability of the GPU, system limitation.

As I said earlier:

Quote: If a GTX750Ti is available I'll drop it in a show a load significantly higher than your 13-16%VE for #1.

Rep finally got me a GTX750Ti at my door, below are the results for your run #17 (pic attached)

Rendering time=98sec, ~52%VE load vs your results of 208sec, 11%VE load.

As I indicated, a 13-16% VE load in your data was not the card capability, hence my comment about potential CPU governed encode process. Based on details during my encode, I'd consider my box CPU governed as well with a GTX750Ti, however, ~2X faster than your GTX750Ti so significantly more at play than just the card.

Simply putting a high range GPU in a mid level box only gets one so far, everyone would simply claim different encode speeds of this high range GPU card for encoding in PD.

Jeff

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Rep finally got me a GTX750Ti at my door, below are the results for your run #17 (pic attached)

Rendering time=98sec, ~52%VE load vs your results of 208sec, 11%VE load.

As I indicated, a 13-16% VE load in your data was not the card capability, hence my comment about potential CPU governed encode process. Based on details during my encode, I'd consider my box CPU governed as well with a GTX750Ti, however, ~2X faster than your GTX750Ti so significantly more at play than just the card.

Simply putting a high range GPU in a mid level box only gets one so far, everyone would simply claim different encode speeds of this high range GPU card for encoding in PD.

Jeff

Which CPU was this on ? Is it possible that PowerDirector is doing multi-GPGPU in this case, ie. combining the use of Quicksync with the GTX750Ti ?

I have run a benchmark on my OC FX-8350 on cpu.userbenchmark.com .

See http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/437471 .

Ignore the numbers at the top since all my disks are RAID-0 and userbenchmark chose to simply ignore the disk performance completely, bringing the main totals way down.

The CPU rating is 70.6% overall, where 100% is a core i7 4790k.

And for multi-core CPU benchmark, which is what should matter to PowerDirector, my CPU received an 88% rating, vs the 100% for the core i7 4790k.

Going by these numbers, there should simply not be a 2:1 performance difference vs my system, no matter what CPU you have .

This tells me that PowerDirector is likely using some instructions on your CPU that aren't available on mine, most likely the Quicksync.

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Which CPU was this on ? Is it possible that PowerDirector is doing multi-GPGPU in this case, ie. combining the use of Quicksync with the GTX750Ti ?

I have nothing for multi-GPGPU to function, I have no Quicksync and no other GPU in the box. Not even any on board graphics. A single GTX750Ti was only in the box.

Jeff

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Which CPU was this on ? Is it possible that PowerDirector is doing multi-GPGPU in this case, ie. combining the use of Quicksync with the GTX750Ti ?

I have nothing for multi-GPGPU to function, I have no Quicksync and no other GPU in the box. Not even any on board graphics. A single GTX750Ti was only in the box.

Jeff

what nVidia driver version r u using???



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Quote: what nVidia driver version r u using???

If you follow the thread, it was a pure back to back run to show a specific item to Julien Pierre, it was his #17 test run, he utilized 358.50 for that test.

Jeff

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Which CPU was this on ? Is it possible that PowerDirector is doing multi-GPGPU in this case, ie. combining the use of Quicksync with the GTX750Ti ?

I have nothing for multi-GPGPU to function, I have no Quicksync and no other GPU in the box. Not even any on board graphics. A single GTX750Ti was only in the box.

Jeff

Again, what CPU was this on ?

If your CPU does not have Quicksync, then perhaps there are other instructions at play that make a difference.

Or PowerDirector 14 is taking different code paths on our two CPUs.

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GTX650 in Mid level CPU box, VE=50%, CPU=~100% Encode time=164 seconds
GTX650 in Higher end CPU box, VE=88%, CPU=~95% Encode time=74 seconds

Could you also specify which CPUs were used in these 2 tests ?

The terms "mid level" and "higher end" really aren't very specific. MSI X99A Raider
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